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    Default Paypal trying to censor what writers can write and what can be read!

    Hi,
    I'm a self published author of romance and erotica. Recently, paypal has sent out letters threatening to discontinue service to publishers that they deem obscene literature. This is absolutely rediculous. Who are they to censor legal literature? Has anyone else had this type of thing happen?

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    Oh yeah they will censor you and most likely they consider this adult content and therefor you are getting these letters.
    Paypal does wherever they want.

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    Are you part of Smashwords?

    Here is an article about it;

    Paypal Pressured To Play Morality Cop And Forces Smashwords To Censor Authors from the censorship-is-obscene dept
    We have become quite accustomed to Paypal arbitrarily deciding to shut down the payment services for a website with no warning and little recourse. Usually when it does so, it acts through its own volition. However, Paypal also has to deal with the whims of the credit card companies with which it is partnered. With that business arrangement, when a credit card company says to jump, Paypal must comply. When it does so, it effects all its own customers as well. Ebook publisher Smashwords reports that it has become one of the latest recipients of one such action. Under pressure from credit card providers, Paypal has put in place a policy that it would no longer process payments for ebooks that contained themes of rape, incest, beastiality and underage sexual content. It then decided to give Smashwords less than a week to remove all books that fit those criteria.
    On Saturday, February 18, PayPalís enforcement division contacted Smashwords with an ultimatum. As with the other ebook retailers affected by this enforcement, PayPal gave us only a few days to achieve compliance otherwise they threatened to deactivate our PayPal services. I've had multiple conversations with PayPal over the last several days to better understand their requirements. Their team has been helpful, forthcoming and supportive of the Smashwords mission. I appreciate their willingness to engage in dialogue. Although they have tried their best to delineate their policies, gray areas remain.

    Their hot buttons are bestiality, rape-for-titillation, incest and underage erotica.
    This has put tremendous pressure on Smashwords to comply as it claims that it would be near impossible to change payment processors as Paypal is a major part in not only how it processes transactions but also how it pays its authors. So it has made several changes to its terms of service to account for the types of books that Paypal and its credit card partners are not happy about. Keep in mind, this is hard for Smashwords as it feels that authors of erotica are being unfairly targeted by this move.
    We do not want to see PayPal clamp down further against erotica. We think our authors should be allowed to publish erotica. Erotica, despite the attacks it faces from moralists, is a category worthy of protection. Erotica allows readers to safely explore aspects of sexuality that they might never want to explore in the real world.

    The moralists forget that we humans are all sexual creatures, and the biggest sex organ is the brain. If it were not the case, none of us would be here. Erotica authors are facing discrimination, plain and simple. Topics that are perfectly acceptable in mainstream fiction are verboten in erotica. Thatís not fair.
    This is an unfortunate set back for Smashwords as well as for indie authors. While the government in the US is not able to censor speech in this manner, there is little preventing a private company like Paypal or its credit card partners from taking these actions. Yet, Smashwords is not giving up hope. In its latest update, Smashwords notes that it had managed to get the deadline extended as well as the definitions of prohibited content relaxed. It also wants to clarify that neither it nor Paypal are the real villians in this issue.
    A lot of people have been attacking Smashwords for my decision to comply with PayPal's requirements. They're pointing their arrows at the wrong target, and they're not helping their cause. We're working to effect positive long term change for the entire Smashwords community, and that includes all our erotica authors and readers.

    Over the weekend, many Smashwords authors and publishers demanded we abandon PayPal and find a new payment processor. It's not so simple, and it doesn't solve the greater problem hanging over everyone's head. PayPal is trying to implement the requirements of credit card companies, banks and credit unions. This is where it's all originating. These same requirements will eventually rain down upon every other payment processor. PayPal is trying to maintain their relationships with the credit card companies and banks, just as we want to maintain our relationship with PayPal. People who argue PayPal is the evil villain and we should drop them are missing the bigger picture. Should we give up on accepting credit cards forever? The answer is no. This goes beyond PayPal. Imagine the implications if credit card companies start going after the major ebook retailers who sell erotica?
    Smashwords then continues by expressing its goal of pulling the credit card companies out into the open to discuss these issues. The behavior of the credit card companies shown here is exactly the type of behavior we advocated against when fighting SOPA/PIPA. Those bills would have given credit card processors the abiltity to kill payment services to companies alledged to be illegal. We warned that such behavior would result in additional harm as legal speech would be swept up along with the potentially illegal speech. Here we see just that. These credit card companies are using their position to censor speech -- some of which may violate obscenity laws, but much of which is likely perfectly legal, protected speech. This is a no win situation for Smashwords. By complying, it must censor the speech of its authors. By not complying, it would lose the ability to serve all its authors.

    Finally, Smashwords suggests a plan of action. It wants everyone to work together to put public pressure on the credit card companies in order to get them to change their stance. We saw how effective such efforts were with SOPA/PIPA. We managed to pressure Godaddy and the ESA to drop their support. We can do the same for these credit card companies and their policies that result in censorship.

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    Smile Why PayPal?

    Why is eBay Inc allowed to operate a Protecism Policy? EBay Inc Refuse to allow me to use other PSP's(Payment Service Providers) thats all PayPal is,IF I had a choice of whom I wish to use as a PSP(payment service provider) I would NOT use PayPal,so ALL you Users of eBay,WHY arn't you Stating you want other PSP's to be allowed to offer their services on eBay?Ebay Inc is refusing to allow competion of their web site,that is against Competition Laws.so What are you doing about it? Come on start asking for other PSP's on eBay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by percival199 View Post
    Why is eBay Inc allowed to operate a Protecism Policy? EBay Inc Refuse to allow me to use other PSP's(Payment Service Providers) thats all PayPal is,IF I had a choice of whom I wish to use as a PSP(payment service provider) I would NOT use PayPal,so ALL you Users of eBay,WHY arn't you Stating you want other PSP's to be allowed to offer their services on eBay?Ebay Inc is refusing to allow competion of their web site,that is against Competition Laws.so What are you doing about it? Come on start asking for other PSP's on eBay.
    In the US we are allowed to use other PSP than paypal. I have a real merchant account (not related to paypal in anyway) linked to my ebay account so it can be done. Not sure why you in the UK don't have that option. But then there is this thing on eBay's website that says you CAN use other PSP
    Quote from ebay.co.uk

    "Payment Services permitted on eBay: Allpay.net, cash2india, CertaPay, Checkfree.com, hyperwallet.com, Moneybookers.com, Nochex.com, Ozpay.biz, Paymate.com.au, Propay.com, XOOM"

    the website is [url=http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/policies/accepted-payments-policy.html]Accepted payments policy[/url]

    Accepted payments policy

    eBay wants to ensure that the marketplace offers buyers safe, appropriate and convenient payment choices for the marketplace. eBay requires all sellers listing on eBay.co.uk to offer payments through PayPal (with some exceptions set out below). PayPal is not only convenient to use, but it also offers buyers and sellers protection assistance against fraud, chargebacks and theft of financial data.

    Sellers with their own merchant credit card processing account, and those who use a third-party credit card processor, may also offer their buyers the option of paying directly with a credit card online or by phone.

    Offline payment methods generally do not offer the same level of protection or convenience as online payments. Nonetheless, they may be appropriate for certain types of transactions and sellers may use listings to offer acceptance of cash (other than by mail or courier) and most valid financial instruments, including personal cheques, bankers drafts or postal orders.

    Please note that eBay Checkout is the only checkout process allowed for buyers on eBay.

    Policy

    eBay requires all sellers listing on eBay.co.uk and eBay.ie to accept PayPal in their listings with the exception of listings in the categories of cars, motorcycles, aircraft, boats, caravans, trailers, trucks (commercials), services and property categories. Sellers listing on eBay.ie are currently exempt from this requirement, but must offer PayPal in their listings if they wish them to appear in search on eBay.co.uk or eBay.ie. In most cases, other additional payments options, which are currently permitted onsite, may also be provided.

    Sellers who list in certain categories or transactions may additionally be required to offer PayPal as the only payment method offered on a listing, and this will be messaged accordingly within the listing flows.

    Permitted
    Sellers may offer to accept:
    PayPal (all sellers must offer PayPal in their listings)
    Credit cards (including MasterCard, Visa, American Express), debit cards (Visa, Electron, Maestro), and bank electronic payments
    Payment upon pick up
    Permitted online payment services (see Some Examples section) below
    Not permitted
    Sellers may not solicit:
    Buyers to mail cash.
    Buyers to send cash or money orders through instant cash transfer services (non-bank, point-to-point cash transfers). We have banned the use of Instant Money Transfers as a payment method on the eBay.co.uk site to protect members, because in the past some sellers have exploited Instant Money Transfers in order to defraud buyers.
    Payment through "topping off" of a seller's pre-paid credit or debit card.
    Payment through online payment methods not specifically permitted in this policy.
    Payments directly via an off-eBay or third party checkout provider promoted in the listing description, direct emails or My Messages.
    Please see the Some Examples section below for permitted online payment services.

    Payment Holds for eBay Items

    eBay and PayPal are working together to make it safer than ever to buy on eBay. One of the ways that PayPal is ensuring this is by identifying transactions that pose the greatest risk of bad sales and holding the payments from sellers for a period of time to help ensure that the transactions go smoothly. Get more details on Payment Holds for eBay items.

    Misleading & Discouraging Payments

    Sellers who state in their listing that they accept certain payment methods must not selectively offer those payment methods to buyers or discourage buyers from using those payment methods.

    This means that sellers must always accept payment from buyers through the payment methods they have selected in their Payment Details section of their listing, including PayPal, and must not act in any way to discourage buyers from paying by these methods. For example, you may not insist that a buyer pay a surcharge, if paying through a certain payment method.

    Breaches of any part of this policy may result in a range of actions including:
    Listing cancellation
    Forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings
    Limits on account privileges
    Loss of PowerSeller status
    Account suspension
    Some Examples
    Payment Services permitted on eBay: Allpay.net, cash2india, CertaPay, Checkfree.com, hyperwallet.com, Moneybookers.com, Nochex.com, Ozpay.biz, Paymate.com.au, Propay.com, XOOM

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    Default Paypal trying to censor what writers can write and what can be read

    Ive just started using paypal for the first time. Ive received a payment and set up my bank account. Yesterday I withdrew the money to my account and it said it could take between 2 and 3 days for the withdrawal to complete.
    However just now I logged into paypal and it says that the withdrawal is complete. I was very happy and logged straight into my bank but unfortunately the money isnt there yet. So where is my money as paypal says its completed?
    Should I be worried? Or is it ok? I just dont want my money to go missing

    Launa

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